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Would you look at that? >> Would you look at what, Jordy? Everything looks fine to me. >> We're back. >> We're back. >> That's That's what I'm looking at. >> Uh, we're we're getting ready at the last second. We may have installed uh Modern Warfare uh 2 on this large screen and gotten a little bit behind schedule with some of the interns playing. >> It was a knockout dragout fight. You you won by a lot, right? Yeah. >> Well, we'll have throughout the It was pretty embarrassing for Ben considering that he is still in that um not not not uh not chief producer Ben, but other Ben considering he's still in like the main kind of like pro video game. >> But at the same time, I mean, you were probably two years old when Modern Warfare 2 came out. So, you got to sort of relearn the the old the old tricks the old tricks on Rust. >> Anyway, well, big show. Hope you guys had a great weekend. >> Hope you had a great weekend. Uh big week. We'll be uh we are going to a conference on Wednesday and Thursday. So, we might uh be off both those days, but we have some great shows for you planned Monday, Tuesday. >> Conference. >> It's a conference. >> Oh, I thought you said concert. >> No, although I think there might be a >> extremely that would be extremely out of character. >> Well, uh I mean there's a bunch of news we're going to go through, but uh first I was just uh sort of reflecting on there was a great interview with Andre Karpathy at a Sequoia AI Ascent. I think last week it went up on YouTube and uh it was he was sort of reflecting on how his workflow is changing around vibe coding and I was sort of reflecting on how my knowledge workflows are changing particularly around image generation now that image generation is really good at infographics and effectively designing slides or output and so we're we're starting to see the rumblings of this idea of like the neural computer. There was this uh people have been talking about this for years since the AI boom began, but the basic idea is like you would have a computer that basically has no software whatsoever on it. It would just have an LLM or just an AI model, just inference capability or potentially connection to cloud inference. Uh that would generate whatever you want, whatever you need on demand on the fly. And so I think Elon talked about this with macro hard a little bit. That was p a piece of the vision. This has always been uh theorized, but it's becoming more and more real. And so uh Carpathy describes this idea of like a neural computer this way. And I think it's an interesting framing. Obviously, it'll have implications for uh SAS products that might be used in a headless under the hood scene uh uh way or uh might be competed with against these neural computers. Karpathy describes it as imagine a device that takes raw video or audio into basically what's a neural net and uses diffusion to render a UI that's unique for that moment. And so this sort of like on the-fly uh instantiation of the exact UI that you need for that particular question or whatever problem you're trying to solve, whatever you're trying to do is an interesting paradigm shift that it feels like we're starting to see glimpses of. So, I most recently felt it when I was trying to understand Ryan Cohen's proposal for GameStop to take over eBay. This is a big story. We'll go through it today. Uh, but I haven't tracked each either either company closely. We've had Ryan on the show. Uh, and uh, we've talked about eBay and GameStop intermittently, but I couldn't tell you off the top of my head what's the revenue for each company, what's the profit like, what what are the different multiples? Uh, and so in a pre-Chat GPT world, I would have gone to Google Finance or Yahoo Finance and pulled some data, maybe had two tabs up, maybe used one of their comparison tools. If I wanted to be really advanced, I would have copy and pasted the stats into uh a spreadsheet. If you're really working on Wall Street, you might have like Cap IQ or Bloomberg plugging into a sheet, an Excel sheet that then can uh build you a comparison table and do like comps. And then once we got into the chat world, you might do a deep research report, pull all that data, put it into a table which is effectively markdown and sometimes the tables renders a little weird and like you can kind of bounce around but now the whole process from start to finish is just a single prompt and it outputs an image. So you can pull up the image that I generated. So this was this was one prompt. I said do a bunch of research on GameStop and eBay's valuation and key financial metrics. Things like growth rate, topline, earnings, revenue, valuation, how the multiples fit together. build a nicely designed side-by-side car comparison of the two companies. Uh, and you wind up getting something that is very digestible. Like just looking at this, I mean, it's obviously a little zoomed out, but you can zoom in and see, okay, eBay has about uh three times the revenue, 50 billion versus 15 for GameStop. Uh, and uh, revenue growth. eBay is growing while GameStop uh, shrunk by 5%. eBay grew 8%. operating income. eBay has 10 times the operating income at 2 2.28 billion versus 220 232 million for GameStop. And so you just get this like very easy, okay, what's the operating margin? eBay's up at 20%, GameStop's down at 6.4%. And so you can start to see on a price to sales ratio, GameStop's at 4x, eBay's at 4 and a halfx. But on a on a market cap to net income, GameStop's higher has a higher value, 34x versus net income versus eBay is 25x. So you can just sort of see this table. And this is something that usually would have been like three or four steps to get here. And instead, it's just this single prompt. And so uh I think that there's uh like this is not a perfect result. Like in in that image, you can see that like it chose red as the color for all of GameStop's financials, which is not what you'd normally do because red is usually for negative numbers, but those revenue figures are positive. Like it could be better. I could probably go further and prompt it a couple more times to get exactly what I wanted, but it's solved my problem of having like here's the summary of the question that you were actually asking, which is like how do these companies stack up to each other? What's the relative size of the business? What are the strengths and weaknesses of each of them? and then boom, you have a square image that you can easily text to someone and and it's ultimately sharable. More importantly, I don't care what it used under the hood. It could have puppeteered a a spreadsheet and put it all in commaepparated values and make a CSV and it could have transformed it with Excel or Google Sheets. Under the hood, it could have written Python. It could have used use pandas or scitle learn. It could have done anything it wanted to, but it's all abstracted to me and I don't even think about it. And this is different from the previous era of like, okay, well, if I wanted to do some sort of stock comparison tool, I could vibe code a stock comparison tool with API integrations, make sure you have the the the data connections, but it's just kind of less necessary as the models get fatter and they sort of eat more and more of the process. And so, Carpathy describes this concept as software 3.0. And we should pull up his example because it's very similar. Of course, it happened like months ago because he's ahead of me on everything obviously, but he gave a good example of shifting from like you have a problem that there's no solution for, so you're going to vibe code an app to just a few weeks or months later like the AI tools can just do it and you don't need any code. You don't need any system to build even though it's fun to build a system and it's interesting and it allows for more maybe more speed, more reliability, like more and more things are like oneshotable by the model. So let's pull up Andre Carpathy uh talking at Sequoia AI Ascent about his experience with software 3.0. >> I think one more maybe uh example that comes to mind that is even more extreme than that is when I was building um menu genen. So menu genen is this idea where you come to a restaurant they give you a menu there's no pictures usually. So I don't know what any of these things are uh usually like 30% of the things I have no idea what they are 50%. So, I wanted to take a photo of the restaurant menu and to get pictures of what those things might look like in a generic sense. And so, I built I've vcoded this app that basically lets you upload a photo and it does all this stuff and it runs on Verscell and uh it basically rerenders the menu and it gives you like all the items and it gives you a picture that it uses an image um you know generator uh for to basically OCR all the different titles. Uh use the image generator to get pictures of them and then shows it to you. And then I saw the software 3.0 version of this which is which blew my mind which is literally just take your photo give it to Gemini and say use nanobanana to overlay the the things onto the menu. Uh and nanobanana basically returned an image that is exactly the picture of the menu that I took but it actually put into the pixels it rendered the different things in the menu and this blew my mind because actually all of my menu gen is spirious. it's working in the old paradigm that app shouldn't exist. Uh and uh yeah, the software 3.0 paradigm is a lot more kind of raw. It just neural network is doing more and more of the work and your prompt or context is just the image and the output is an image and there's no need to have any of the app in between. Um so I think that people have to kind of like perhaps um yeah it it it I mean it's it's real and uh I I had some takeaways from this like what are the implications for this and I think there's a few things um the the the first thing that was on my mind was that al although we have gone through this crazy vibe coding boom where everyone is vibe coding apps it feels like a very temporary aberration and also I know that that even though there are millions and millions of people that have used codeex and cla code and open claw like the numbers are big but it's not at 20% of the US population like it's just not at that level of adoption as opposed to chat apps which are at like 70 80% penetration right >> yeah the other the other thing that's been interesting is uh non like people outside of tech that have gotten into vibe coding that have been pitching me their ideas here and there almost every time they're pitching me the idea it is something that claude code and codeex can do themselves pretty well today like just in one chat thread >> or the app like the apps can do them and that's what I'm like what's blowing my mind now is that is that in many >> way that's what I'm saying so I'm like they're using vibe coding tools to vibe code something that doesn't necessarily need to exist because you could just use the app itself to do the thing >> and they're already widely available so it's it's been been interesting >> yeah so I think there's I think there's two things like one is that if you've been like hesitant to jump into vibe coding uh because like it's just it's a little bit too much of a hassle like Andre Carpath is like obviously very very comfortable being like oh yeah let me deploy to Versal and do all this like you can figure all that out but that leads to this world where it's like a I was staying up all night I was I was really really like burning the midnight oil to get this app deployed and like do all this stuff a lot of that's going to go away and like you're not going to need to do that but then there's also the the this question what you had which is like there needs to be this higher order loop of thinking around okay you have a problem should you actually vibe code an app or should you just try and oneshot it with the current model capabilities because for a lot of things like >> and within an yeah within chat within Gemini within claude the actual apps like you can like take a picture of your food and say hey start tracking my calories like there's a lot of things that the that the apps can just do in one chat thread that people are doing but I think that Uh there there's like this tension between when when you actually need to for sure go and vibe code something versus when you can just do it in like a oneshotted LLM context. Frontier models are already able to in basically 90% of situations I feel like instantiate exactly whatever is required to solve the actual problem uh under the hood uh entirely abstracting away like code and tools like you will just not be aware of what's happening and it doesn't matter. And then uh the second >> and and I yeah I would I would add to to my previous statement by by saying that doesn't mean that there's not necessarily a business there because sometimes taking a raw capability and presenting it to people in a way that's very easy for them to digest. You can still deliver value and you can get customers and people will pay you money. >> Yep. >> But it is it has been fascinating to see like does this actually need to be an app? >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean there's there there's a ton of apps and software that will still be valuable whether it has a liquidity pool or some sort of unique uh source of strength or some differentiation point that that the existing chat apps can't hack at all. And then there's also just like like marketing arbs effectively where it's like okay yes the any any frontier model in a chat app could do this but you weren't aware of it and this company was really good at running ads to actually get awareness going and then drive downloads of this specific thing and so we see those in the uh uh in the app store all the time. The other thing that I was uh uh reminded of was did you ever read Union Square Ventures 2016 blog post fat protocols? Are you familiar with this? So fat protocols uh was this concept around how in in the web like web I guess 1.0 2.0 know there were protocol layers which are like TCPIP, HTTP, SMTP like file transfer protocols, HTTP and there and a lot for like a couple years the crypto community was like the group that developed and maintained HTTP they basically created the standard that the web ran on and yet very little value acrewed to the creators and the maintainers of that protocol and crypto would be different because the Bitcoin protocol had the value capture component component like baked into it. And so there was this idea of like the application layer in blockchain would acrue very little value and the protocol layer would capture the vast majority of value. So this is on the web the applications on top of HTTP. You can think of like Facebook as a beneficiary of the protocol of HTTP because that's what how how the actual information the photos and the text gets transferred to you. But the HTTP standard does not acrue the value. the value acrru to the to the application on top. And if you scroll down, you'll see the blockchain example which was sort of borne out uh that the application layer was pretty thin on top and most of the value went to like the tokens and the protocol below. Yeah, exactly. Ethereum is a good example. Salana is a good example. Of course, there's there's value in the application layer and there's some companies that are being built. But this was basically this thesis that the he says we see that very early we see this very clearly in two dominant blockchain networks, Bitcoin and Ethereum. And the Bitcoin network has a 10 billion market cap. Wow. I think it's like a trillion now, right? Isn't it 700 billion? Um yet the largest companies built on top are worth a few hundred million at best. Now we have Coinbase which is in the tens of billions. So both sides of the protocol application layer did very well. But uh the point is still true. Uh similarly, Ethereum has a $1 billion market cap even before the emergence of real breakout applications on top and only a year after its public release. And so that was sort of the core thesis on this fat protocols thing. And and I think that there's something similar happening in the AI value chain. Of course, there's like a bunch of other dynamics going on in in the AI value chain, and there's a lot of capture and and complicated market dynamics, but the models feel like they're getting fatter every month, and they're sort of eating away at the edges of what you can do with them. And so, increasingly, you can just get more and more out of the core model, which is just an interesting dynamic. Third, there's still like this huge question of like walled garden jumping. We've talked about this before, but it's almost we need like a different term for like the dead internet theory. It's like the It's like the walled garden internet theory. Like the internet's not dead. There's great information in Substack on certain legacy legacy media websites and on Facebook and on X and on YouTube. But like all of those companies don't want to interact with each other. And so that's where you get something like oh well like if you write code you do get access to it loosely. Or if you're puppeteering a browser on a Mac Mini you get access to that. or if you're digging through iMessage locally, like that can require a different workflow. But that's more of like a legal and business discussion than a technical one. Like there's no reason technically that a single LLM wouldn't be able to just query every single web resource except for the fact that the big the various tech companies don't want each other to talk to each other. Uh and so um the models I think will continue to find a way under the walled garden, over the walled garden, through the walls, like they'll they'll seep everywhere. Uh and it's more of a question of just uh inference cost, how how long it takes to actually grind through the wall, but uh they they're already figuring out a way around and then and openclaw is a good example of that. A lot of the walled gardens were sort of brought down by running. >> Yeah. except I think SAP came out and said no unauthorized agents here. They're trying to they're trying to put up the walls. They're trying to build a moat. They're trying to get some alligators to scare off the the agents. >> Yes. But I would be very surprised if they're able to stop me from if I have SAP and I'm running it locally for me to take a screenshot of my computer and then tell the mouse to go where it wants. Like it's very hard to fight back against these. Run had a good tweet where he was like, you know, people are now just like vessels for the AI where they just like the AI tells them what to do and then they just act exactly like what the the model said. >> Wasn't uh John about this. >> John Collison was saying uh like the humans get the thing off the high shelf every time I have to like go and like export a PDF and upload it to Chad GBD because I can't get it in there by default. Even though I could just give them a web URL, I have to export it, print or whatever. >> Let's talk about I think we should talk about GameStop. Let's do it. What's up with GameStop? >> What's going on with GameStop? Yesterday, it came out through the Wall Street Journal. GameStop was preparing to make an offer for eBay as part of Ryan CEO Ryan Cohen's plan to turn the retailer into a hundred billion dollar plus juggernaut. >> GameStop has been quietly building a stake in eBay shares ahead of a potential offer and could submit an offer as soon as later this month, which they did uh uh this morning. If eBay isn't receptive, Cohen could decide to take the offer directly to eBay's shareholders. and uh they released a letter yesterday >> to uh Paul Presler, who's the chairman of the board over at eBay, happens to be a friend of mine. >> Uh yeah. >> Wait, really? >> Yeah. Um uh I I I um his daughter and my wife are good friends. Um so I end up we end up hanging out a decent amount. Um and we're neighbors. Does he do a lot of does he do a lot of uh like podcasts or press appearances? >> It can it can we can it can be discussed. >> I I'm just saying like determinism of pressler would be like somebody who dominates the press. >> The press circuit. >> I think you press circuit all the time. >> Um anyways, Paul Paul is fantastic and Ryan wrote this letter to him yesterday saying GameStop is proposing to acquire all common stock of eBay at $125 per share. We have accumulated a 5% economic stake in eBay through derivatives and beneficial ownership of common stock and are file filing a schedule 13D and HSR notification tomorrow. Our offer is $125 per share comprising 50% cash and 50% GameStop common stock which we will get to in just a little bit um because Ryan Cohen discussed this on CNBC this morning. Yep. uh that represents a 46% premium to eBay's uneffective closing price on February 4th, 2026, the day GameStop started accumulating its position in eBay. Uh and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. But let's go straight to the CNBC. >> So quickly, there was a question. So uh Bizlet said, "Can someone please tell me how GameStop has 56 billion? It's not a 56 billion company." There were questions. and Ryan Cohen went uh in the ring with Aaron Sorcin over at CNBC or Andrew on sorry uh Andrew Ross Sorcin on CNBC Squawkbox to interview about the GameStop eBay acquisition. We could play this >> through how how you could get to that price and how it would work. >> It's on our website. It's half uh cash, half stock. Uh but but the details are are on our website. C >> can you help I I I've read them but can you help our audience understand them? >> Yeah. What what which part exactly? >> Well, I think we can start with the idea that the market cap of of GameStop is call it 11 billion. Uh you have nine billion dollars uh on your balance sheet. arguably if you're if you're providing uh effectively all of your stock and then and then the cash that gets you to 20, you have this letter from TD, that's another 20. Uh we're now at 40. Uh but we're still off uh by call it uh 16. and and the 20, as far as I understand, while it's considered a highly confident letter, meaning TD saying they're highly confident uh that they would provide the financing, it's not locked financing. >> Yeah, we'll see what happens. >> Um, >> founder, >> never doubt. I >> I hear you dead. >> I understand that. I'm I'm just trying to understand where the the rest of the money would come from. It's half cash, half stock. >> I I I'm I hear you. I'm just saying that that math doesn't get you to the to the price that you're offering. >> Ryan, that's a pretty straightforward question. I don't get it. >> Thank you chiming in. >> Where's the rest of the money coming from? >> Andrew laid it out pretty clearly. >> I I don't understand your question. We're offering half cash, half stock, and we have the ability to issue stock in order to get the deal done. >> But the full details of of the offer on our are on our website. >> But you're on air. We we thought we'd get >> So, but I don't understand your question. >> Where's the money coming from? That's the question. >> You're wondering record scratch freeze friend. You're wondering how I tried to buy a $55 billion company with $40 billion earmarked. >> Do you think he was expecting this to go out on Sunday, Monday, GameStop stock pop like crazy and it's actually down today? >> I guess that's possible. I I I don't know. I I also don't understand why he can't just say like, "Hey, we're in the process. Like, we got a highly likely letter from a bank for 20. Yeah, we need 16 more, but we're going to go get more letters from other banks. We're going to go get other equity investors. Like this is a whole process. We're excited to announce this and this is like our first close. Like we're not like fully ready. But maybe >> so the tough thing is take he took this offer to Paul, chairman of the board. Yeah. >> Now Paul has to look at this and be like, "Okay, is this a real offer?" >> And I imagine Paul will watch CNBC. >> And it's not. >> That's not going to give anyone a lot of confidence. >> Yeah. It's Yeah. I mean, you could imagine it in the in the context of like buying a house. You know, you show up and someone says like, "I have 80% of the money and like my bank will underwrite me for 50% and I have 30% in cash." And you're just like, >> "Look, I need the full amount." Like, >> the full thing is like I'm I'm wondering I'm wondering what uh Ryan he, you know, eBay is an incredible business. It's been remarkably durable. They've faced an onslaught of competition for every single category from sneakers to watches to art to name any cars, right? Any category there is like a vertical competitor to eBay and yet the business has done has been remarkably remarkably strong. It's up pretty meaningfully this year, right? management is unfortunate for Ryan and his bid that the most viral sort of video clip out of all of this is just him failing to answer like you know a pretty straightforward question and not having an opportunity to talk about okay why do you you know if presumably if you're buying this company you think it can and should be worth a lot more what's your what's your plan what's your plan for the business why are you better suited to run it than uh than Jamie who's been in in the seats since 2020. Worked at eBay from 2001 to 2009. >> So, he's a veteran, knows the business very well, >> and uh you're coming in $16 billion short. At least that's what it looks like. >> Anyways, uh this bid could be could be over before it really started. >> Yeah. Or I mean, it could attract a bunch of investors who want to line up and fall in line and wind up producing the the 55 or so required. But uh it does feel like it's uh it's a ways away. >> Breaking news for gamers out there. >> What's that? >> I know a lot of gamers out there. They have laptops. They're worried about the price of these laptops. The batteries. Oh, electricity is getting expensive. What are you going to do? How are you going to charge? We got the solution for you. It's a gas It's a gasoline powered laptop. So, it's pretty simple. It's a one-of-a-kind gasoline powered laptop. It's offered for just $850. Looks like it's running Windows XP. You might not be able to play the latest and greatest games. Will it run Crisis? 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This is true hacker mindset. Whoever built this is an incredible engineer and did something. They did the impossible. They built a gasoline powered laptop. I've seen a couple other of these like uh gasoline powered uh projects, people making all sorts of different things. It's always a funny gag. Obviously, >> the actual breaking news is the White House is considering vetting AI models before they are released. >> Trump admin, which took a non-interventionist approach to AI is now discussing imposing oversight on AI models before they are made publicly available. >> Well, FDA for AI, we'll see. >> Uh, it would be potentially an executive order, create an AI working group that would bring together tech executives and government officials to examine potential oversight procedures. Okay. So, this would be an executive order to create a working group that could potentially create an oversight uh body. >> Okay. So, we're a couple steps away, but seems reasonable. I don't know. 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